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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:52 am

It’s true. I think women mostly manipulate to get what they want. But I have met some women who do all three, and some men too.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:24 am

Yes. I think a woman tends to try and control through manipulation because of her weaker position in society. The proverbial guilt trip. Her real God-given power is the power of influence and persuasion. That is godly, but it does not demand and try to force, just persuade and leave the choice up to the other.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:04 pm

I think men do most control
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:13 pm

Influence and persuade is much like the Holy Spirit.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:55 pm

I often see parallels between the Holy Spirit and our part as the feminine side of mankind. We are made in the image of God, and male and female we are made.

I hear you, Newborn. There are many women who would agree with you, especially in cultures that have not been influenced by Christianity. The more radically opposite you get to Christianity – like Islam – the less women are honoured and valued. That it is in the Church is just indicative of immaturity. The disciples squabbled about who was most important among them, and Jesus led by washing their feet.

There are some Christian men who do not seek to control, but have a genuine heart to serve and actually love their wives with the sacrificial love that Christ demonstrated. I am not talking about wimps. Real men. There is something so attractive about a man who is secure in his God and how His God made him; that he has no need to lord it over others. To seek to control another human being is not God’s way. With Him it is always free will.

Real authority is about servanthood and not domination. Servanthood is most easily seen when someone is seen to be misbehaving. Condemnation leads to despair. It is based in pride and superiority. Love leads to repentance. It is based in humility.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:34 pm

God is so uncontrolling He will even let us go to Hell if we choose to.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:04 pm

This is all too heavy. It’s just not out there! Too cool. What I mean is thanx!
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:11 pm

As the only male here from what I can see I think I better tread very carefully!
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:35 pm

No need to. It’s no Boys Club, but it’s no Girls Club either. Say your say and very welcome here. These are issues that need to be raised – with all perspectives. There has been a lot of bruising done to women. Many are called of God and have been quenched.

Chauvinism is such a subtle thing to expose because it is not evident unless doing damage. It is so easily mistaken for Biblical authority that when the damage is done there is usually no confidence to challenge it. I have been surprised to find men who are teaching equality of male and female too. In fact it is because of these men that something broken in me started to heal. It is a strange conflict to be called and quenched within the same context. God does the calling and men do the quenching. That is all that is being addressed here.

I have no tolerance for emasculating or demonizing men; they are precious brothers whom Jesus also died for. Pretty sure you could put some reverse issues on the table that men experience with women. Start another thread! Be great to unpack it if it is of concern.

What I do have is a heart for encouraging woman to stand in the full dignity of her femininity as God created her to. She was over-the-top wonderfully made and her Creator loves her and has commissioned her too. It often shapes differently but is of vital importance. That needs to be recognized and acknowledged in the Church.

So please feel welcome and valued on this thread too.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:17 pm

Yeah. As QV says. No men-haters here. Just dislike some treatment that comes if not a man. I do not hate men. Just hard to trust some brothers.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:04 pm

I heard Dr Mike Murdock say once that conversation is the seed for understanding. Please feel at ease to speak. Male input is very welcome and appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:07 am

Point taken. Never thought much on how it must be to be a woman in Church. Liked the status quo and gave no thought to question it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:41 pm

Is how it is in life. Gender sensitivity, or racial sensitivity… or whatever.

Reminds me of something said at that same meeting about the praying mantis being the grossest insect because she eats the male alive after mating. It was a man who said this. He is right. It is really gross. But it tickled me at the time because my reaction is naturally less extreme simply because I am not a male. Point being ... women would naturally be more sensitive to the whole woman question. She has a lot more at stake. With the praying mantis scenario the reaction was strong even though nothing was at stake because it went against the natural inclination in a man for dominance, and this is repeatedly violated by the female mantis.

Interesting how God puts things in nature to get us thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:46 pm

Interesting perspective. Good discussion.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:44 pm

Sometimes I think men are terrified of losing control to women.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:51 pm

No-one should be seeking to control anyone… well… not as Believers anyway. It is the natural way of the world.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:29 pm

This discussion has shifted my perspective. Without trying I am automatically looking from a different angle now.

Kim, men who are terrified of losing control to women are just insecure.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:23 pm

As in …. Secure men maintain control? Are you coming from a standpoint that it is a male birthright to be dominant over all women?
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:45 pm

It is entrenched in society and you have found me out. Apologies, but I don’t think you will do much to shift it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:48 pm

Maybe not, but it makes me feel better in a situation where I am being subjected to it, to know they are out of line. Even if I have no idea how to change it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:44 pm

No probs, HB. No interest in catching you out…. Only in opening up what is latent and unrecognized by many really sincere men in the Church. This discussion is merely to unpack what is being perceived by women and put it on the table for discussion. It is not our job to shift all chauvinism out of the ranks. I think that is a Holy Spirit sized job.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:50 am

Holy Spirit job. He use us help. We feel we speak and God men hear.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:08 pm

You are right Newborn. We are to speak out because we are the hands, heart and mouth for God in this world.

I do think that if you find yourself in a Church assembly that is oppressive toward women then do not fight against the leadership. You will be badly bruised and we are called to peace. Find somewhere that can be a spiritual home to you and where you in your particular gifting can blossom. This is my opinion and offered only as such. There may be some women called to stay in a place to bring change perhaps but I have not as yet felt such a call upon me with regard to this issue. I just believe that as they quench women then they will not move forward in all fullness. Women are called as part of the Church in the full commission. But to argue your way into it defeats the purpose somehow I think. Just let God lead you where He can use you.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Gods design for women?   Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:54 pm

Understood QV. I recognise it and as a brother in Christ now stand against it. Particularly in myself. This is End Time ministry we are entering into. Unity and effective co-operation required.
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